I have many friends that I grew up with and to tell u the truth if I have a handful thats alot. I always thought that we was always going to be around one another and never go apart. Boy was I wrong about that and many more. I have a friend that I have no

I caught my co-worker reading a Jehova witness book which explains how to understand the bible. He said its good reading but he does not believe anything that they write cause they twists the words to their liking. I asked " What did he mean by that?"

He said in this book it says that God created Jesus Christ and he said he did not create Jesus Christ. He said that God was Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit.

 

My opinion is that God is Jesus Christ Father as Jesus Christ is his son. So is the Holy Spirit God too or is God and Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit. I would like your opinion on this matter. I am an open minded person.


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on Sep 17, 2009

The Father is God,

The Son is God

The HS is God.

The JW's have it all wrong.  They do not believe Jesus is God.  God did not create Jesus.  He always was.  Jesus is God in the Flesh.  My new modern view to say this is "God in skin." 

I was a JW and I know alot about their belief system. 

 

on Sep 17, 2009

Hey KFC,

Let me introduce you to my wife Suhay. I told her if there was a place to ask such a question this would be it and I bet you would be the first to respond. thank you.

on Sep 18, 2009

I was a JW and I know alot about their belief system.

I thought you had been a Seventh Day Adventist?

 

on Sep 18, 2009

My opinion is that God is Jesus Christ Father as Jesus Christ is his son. So is the Holy Spirit God too or is God and Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit.

And that never struck you as odd? An entity has a son and the son of the entity is the entity itself? He is his own father? It strikes me as extremely odd.

 

I would like your opinion on this matter. I am an open minded person.

It does depends on your religion, obviously.

I believe that there exists a god who created the world. I do not know (or care) if other gods exist. I do not believe that this god has a son or would have children ever. I do believe that Jesus probably existed and was some kind of progressive rabbi (teacher).

I believe that this god sent prophets to humanity. I do not believe that anyone knows how many he sent. I am convinced that the prophets mentioned in the Tanakh (Jewish Bible) are real prophets. But I also people that Zoroaster, the Iranian prophet, was a real prophet. Muhammed of Mecca might have received messages from an angel but that wouldn't qualify him as a prophet as such because I only accept as prophets those who actually heard the voice of the god himself.

I believe that only one prophet ever had a direct conversation with the god.

And I believe that more than one religion can be true.

And finally I believe that I am not allowed to worship a man, even if he were G-d.

 

 

on Sep 18, 2009

I believe that only one prophet ever had a direct conversation with the god.

Moses? 

I thought you had been a Seventh Day Adventist?

Yep, was that too.  Baptised in that faith at 15.  Know alot about them as well.  Also have a good friend who is a SDA.  I've mentioned several times that I was involved in many cults over the years.  I find now that it was a good thing because I can help others in their search for the truth knowing alot firsthand about these belief systems. 

Let me introduce you to my wife Suhay. I told her if there was a place to ask such a question this would be it and I bet you would be the first to respond. thank you.

ha!  You were right Charles.

Hello Suhay.  Nice to meet you! 

 

on Sep 18, 2009

Moses?

Exactly.

 

I've mentioned several times that I was involved in many cults over the years.  I find now that it was a good thing because I can help others in their search for the truth knowing alot firsthand about these belief systems.

Cults are dangerous. But it usually enough to show people the way out of the cult rather than to the truth.

 

on Sep 18, 2009

Cults are dangerous. But it usually enough to show people the way out of the cult rather than to the truth.

in order to show them the truth you need to expose the lie.  In order to expose the lie, you must know the lies that are being told. 

on Sep 18, 2009

in order to show them the truth you need to expose the lie.  In order to expose the lie, you must know the lies that are being told.

Haven't the cults just shown them "the truth"?

 

on Sep 18, 2009

Haven't the cults just shown them "the truth"?

no, not at all unless you want to say "their" truth.  That's why they're considered "cults" in the first place.   Usually they're pretty far off; depends tho on how much truth is sprinkled in with the lies. 

 

 

on Sep 18, 2009

no, not at all unless you want to say "their" truth.  That's why they're considered "cults" in the first place.   Usually they're pretty far off; depends tho on how much truth is sprinkled in with the lies.

Yes, but how do you make that clear to cult followers by providing an alternative truth?

 

on Sep 18, 2009

Yes, but how do you make that clear to cult followers by providing an alternative truth?

it's not easy but I don't think of it as an "alternative" truth.  I guess that's because I'm not into relativism much. 

It's basically the same for anything.  Do they really want the truth or do they want their group?  If they don't want the truth, conversation ends. 

Before Jesus healed the paralytic he asked "Do you really want to be well?"  

 

on Sep 18, 2009

it's not easy but I don't think of it as an "alternative" truth.  I guess that's because I'm not into relativism much. 

You don't, but the cult member hopefully is. Otherwise he won't give up his truth and replace it with another.

 

It's basically the same for anything.  Do they really want the truth or do they want their group?  If they don't want the truth, conversation ends. 

Cults are (not "can be") extremely dangerous and is supremely important for everyone to avoid getting sucked into them. That can be done, for example, by clinging to a normal religion. (By "normal" religion I mean a religion that is open and has no secrets and can easily be learned by anyone who wants to without becoming part of its system and/or a religion that has been around for a while and has shown not to lead to disaster.)

 

Before Jesus healed the paralytic he asked "Do you really want to be well?" 

Who wouldn't?

 

on Sep 18, 2009

Who wouldn't?

you'd be surprised! 

on Sep 18, 2009

I caught my co-worker reading a Jehova witness book which explains how to understand the bible. He said its good reading but he does not believe anything that they write cause they twists the words to their liking. I asked " What did he mean by that?" [/quote]

Suhay,

Thank you for your article and insightful question.

Charles ...thanks for encouraging Suhay to write.

Your co-worker is on the right track in understanding Jehovah Witnesses. They've taken Sacred Scripture and rewritten it according to their own beliefs.  Like Unitarians, Muslims and Jews, Jehovah Witnesses don't believe in the Blessed Trinity or as KFC has already said, that Jesus Christ is God.

[quote who="KFC Kickin For Christ" comment="1"]The Father is God,The Son is GodThe HS is God.The JW's have it all wrong.  They do not believe Jesus is God.  God did not create Jesus.  He always was.  Jesus is God in the Flesh.   

I agree.

That Jesus Christ always was, is and always will be is paramount and fully supported in Sacred Scripture.

 

Suhay writes:

My opinion is that God is Jesus Christ Father as Jesus Christ is his son. So is the Holy Spirit God too or is God and Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit.

That God is One in Three Divine Persons is a mystery of Faith that only God could have revealed.

The Blessed Trinity is not an opinion to me because I believe by the gift of Divine Faith. There is human faith and then there is the supernatural virtue of Faith. Same thing with hope and charity.

leauki posts:

Yes, but how do you make that clear to cult followers by providing an alternative truth?

Jesus is either God or He isn't....there is only one truth. One can't have the truth if he is not in possession of it...The Jehovah Witnesses are not in possession of the truth.

Speaking of "aternatie truth'  is sophistry.

 

 

 

 

on Sep 18, 2009

Before Jesus healed the paralytic he asked "Do you really want to be well?"

There is human health of the body and spritiaul health of the soul.  Jesus had the paralyitic's spiritual wellness in mind.  

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